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Do deaf people really have such an identity with deafness that they would turn down the ability to hear? It seems like a huge gimmicky hollywood thing and it annoys me

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wednes
May. 2nd, 2009 10:29 pm (UTC)
You mean the cochlear implants? I dunno, some people are opposed to elective surgery of any kind. I think I am, in fact.

But if you've never been able to hear ever, and suddenly everything is making a crazy noise? I can see where that might be terrifying. Even getting a hearing aid is freaky for some people.

judecorp
May. 2nd, 2009 10:33 pm (UTC)
There is a very strong, very active, very cohesive, and very political Deaf community. There are a number of Deaf folks (capital D deaf, i.e. folks in the community) who believe that being deaf is not something that needs to be changed. The Deaf community has its own culture, its own rituals, its own language. Some folks are very possessive of that and feel that things like cochlear implants are trying to irradicate or wipe out deafness.
sudrin
May. 2nd, 2009 11:51 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the info.. can you call off the hounds now? (see below)
judecorp
May. 3rd, 2009 11:46 am (UTC)
Woah! I had no idea things were getting heated, but then again, this is the internet.

I can understand a bit of the irritation people in a minority group have with having to always 'represent' and do the work of educating the majority (rather than the majority doing the work to educate themselves), but yeah, anonymous is obviously not familiar with The David.

xo
sudrin
May. 4th, 2009 08:10 pm (UTC)
Well, I really didn't mean it the way anonymous thinks I did. It has to be the ONE group that is properly represented by Hollywood!
(Anonymous)
May. 4th, 2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
Not knowing him is something I'm defiantly glad of. Good luck with this one, looks like you'll need it.
sudrin
May. 4th, 2009 09:15 pm (UTC)
Look, you can troll me, but don't troll my friends. You've made your feelings abundantly clear. I'm not going to argue with you anymore. Ad hominem attacks don't make you anymore correct. The more you post the more you prove you are a troll and the more I find your views completely meritless.
(Anonymous)
May. 2nd, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
Aww, so sowee you're annoyed
And I'm sure the deaf get annoyed when some jerk on the internet who has no knowledge of what he's talking about calls a display of pride in their cultural identity gimmicky.
sudrin
May. 2nd, 2009 11:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Aww, so sowee you're annoyed
That is NOT what I said.. I asked the question, said it SEEMED like a hollywood gimmicky thing that annoyed me and got some answers.. if I thought I KNEW I wouldn't have asked.
(Anonymous)
May. 3rd, 2009 12:10 am (UTC)
Re: Aww, so sowee you're annoyed
That's one take on it. Another is that you thought your readers would think you hip, wise and really super-awesome-observant and stuff for catching on to a subversive plot by the media and Hollywood!

That's the problem with aint I cool posts, sometimes you get called out and you look less cool than when you started, but that's just the gamble you take, right?

But people like me usually forgive you for mocking their culture in an attempt to make yourself look better, when you admit you made a mistake instead of trying to play "i was just askin a qwestion geez" wordgames. Better luck next time with that.
sudrin
May. 3rd, 2009 12:35 am (UTC)
Re: Aww, so sowee you're annoyed
Well, you feel free to believe what you like. I can't defend myself against against what *YOU* think *I* meant. If you ARE truly Deaf and this is a culture you understand I would have expected a more informative answer from you and a tad less abuse.
(Anonymous)
May. 3rd, 2009 01:07 am (UTC)
Re: Aww, so sowee you're annoyed
Just like I would expect someone who really had a question they wanted to know the answer to to have the sense to type: deaf community cochlear implants or something of the sort into Google. I mean, since the House episode aired it HAS been all over the news, blog, and discussion groups this week.
http://www.nad.org/site/pp.asp?c=foINKQMBF&b=138140
http://fabulousrunningmommy.blogspot.com/2009/04/nf2-on-house.html
http://cochlearimplantonline.com/site/?p=1204
http://nabeel-ci.blogspot.com/2009/04/house-has-got-it-all-wrong.html

that took less than a minute to pull up, and would seem a much quicker, more acurate and better informed route to the answer to your "question" should that have been what you were really looking for.

It's also laughable to be chided for being abusive by a fellow that referred to me as a 'hound' and snapped at a person I've never met to control me. Sometimes if two people give you the same information it's not because they're in cahoots, it's because the information is accurate. Some "friend" you are to judecorp.
sudrin
May. 3rd, 2009 01:22 am (UTC)
Re: Aww, so sowee you're annoyed
Actually, Jude IS probably the most informed person I know about such matters, and as such I trust her opinion. Far more than yours. Her answer was direct and informative, unlike yours that seems hell bent on making sure that i'm constantly shamed at every turn. I don't ask random internet people what they think, I ask my friends, whom I can trust. Were you someone who was trying to gain my respect, or even inform me, I don't think this is the way you would go about doing it. I think you are just a troll that enjoys trolling around the internet. Also, humorously enough your LAST link supports MY ORIGINAL POST. So had YOU taken a minute to read it, you might not have sent that link.

Edited at 2009-05-03 01:23 am (UTC)
(Anonymous)
May. 3rd, 2009 04:15 am (UTC)
Re: Aww, so sowee you're annoyed
Maybe you should be shamed, lets see what we've learned from your last few posts:

1. When given several sources of information displaying a wide range of opinions on a complex topic, you will pick out the one source that supports your (self admitted) uninformed view point and ignore the rest.

2. You will not only do this, you will flaunt it as if selective fact gathering is an Olympic sport and you're training for the gold.

3. If a Deaf person takes offense to your small minded quips rather than hold your hand and mother you with information until you understand what a rude jerk you're being then they must not really be Deaf.

Sorry I'm not Deaf enough for you. (My GOD, the NERVE to even think to say something like that is unfathomable) Sorry I didn't hand pick the data I sent to you to support only one side of the issue. Not everyone thinks you're the bees knees and wants to "earn your trust". Some of us are just sick of hearing uninformed losers on the internet make light of our way of life.
madush69
May. 3rd, 2009 02:36 am (UTC)
What?
laughingmagpie
May. 3rd, 2009 03:41 pm (UTC)
You got off relatively easy ;-)

My training is as a Clinical Geneticist. Count me as one of the non-Deaf community that also believes being deaf is not something that needs to be changed, though I also support those who pursue aids, etc. As a heads-up - although the Deaf community is one of the best organized and active groups, there are many individuals in the world who do not consider their differences to be disabilities or things that need to be fixed, changed or prevented.
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